Here it is from the air:
Courtesy of Bing Maps. This design has similarities with the worst roundabout designs ever used in the Netherlands but little in common with the safest roundabout designs. |
Comparison with a Dutch roundabout
For a cyclist, the supposedly "continental" style "Magic Roundabout" of York looks nothing at all like a real roundabout as seen over here on "the continent" in the Netherlands. This second example is a typical Dutch roundabout, chosen simply because it's an example close to our home, but which is of the safest design used in the Netherlands. It should appear at a similar scale on your screen to that of the above example from York:
Note that in Assen cyclists do not ride on the road around roundabouts, but have completely separate paths. Read more about this roundabout, which is a good example of the safest design in the Netherlands. |
We ride this way regularly as it's part of the most direct route to the city centre (see the whole journey from which this is a part ). A video made when riding past this roundabout also looks nothing like the video from York:
Read more about a truly safe Dutch roundabout design
Guess which one won an award ?
Caption is from the Transport Initiatives website. But this dangerous design should never have won an award. |
The problem with things like the Magic Roundabout in York is that sometimes the hype gets out of control. It may well be a safer design than the previous junction, but it's a missed opportunity. It could have been so much better, but as so much hype and praise is heaped upon the roundabout it's difficult for other people to notice this. The hype is still believed. Cycling England referred to it quite positively, there have been proposals to copy the "Magic Roundabout" elsewhere in the UK, similar ideas are published as guidance in Australia. The BBC recently said that the "British roundabout" might be conquering the US, and a much hyped example like this could well be held up as a better than average design to copy.
It is often difficult to counter the opinion of an "expert". However, it seems quite clear that in reality the Magic Roundabout shouldn't be an example which is copied. Planners who want to do the right thing for cyclists would be better advised to look at Dutch examples instead.
The Assen roundabout used as an example in this blog post is not unusual. Another post details every roundabout in Assen. Every single roundabout in Assen uses a better design than the "Magic Roundabout" in York.
8 comments:
Portsmouth had one of the green lanes round the outer ring roundabouts for a while between the end of the m-way and southsea, but they've taken it away, either for the sake of the cyclists or the cars. Either way it's an improvement on a bicycle, provided you are prepared to get into the lane
I guess the magic thing is that there are actually cyclists visible on Google street view, including a boy without a helmet (who's about to get sandwiched between a bus and a car) and a female with a purse. When you move down the streets, all cyclists seem to have disappeared.
Magic Roundabout propaganda served by Google, now where did I leave my tin foil hat...
This made me think of the actual "Magic Roundabout" in Swindon - which constitutes a large 2 way roundabout with smaller normal roundabouts at each exit - a bit like a scaled down ring road. Do such junctions exist in the Netherlands, (hopefully with a cycle track avoiding them) or are they just a rarity of British traffic planning?
@Christhebull
WTF!?!
Is this some sort of sick joke? Seriously, what **were** they thinking?
Roundabouts with 'improvements for cyclists' in Australia have a green painted cycle 'lane' around the outside (if you're lucky) which requires cyclists to give way to cars leaving the roundabout - they have to stop ON the roundabout! Madness.
The biggest problem is that roads here are geared towards maximising traffic flow (and speed) and requiring drivers to pay less and less attention to anything else out there.
If you're in the way of a car driver exiting a roundabout here (as a pedestrian or cyclists) you'd better run for your life... Most drivers treat them like racing chicanes and will make no effort to give way.
Look at how the UK roundabout has tangents to allow drivers to go fast-in, faster-out. Compare this with the radii on the NL example. If the UK is ever to be cycling-friendly it has to follow the Dutch. We need a major programme of public works (ie a multi-million pound major schemes bid) to show what can be done. I've been reading recently how the UK only has 10% of people cycling and therefore it's a small issue at election time. People want Dutch-style cycle routes. Let's turn up the volume!
@chris the bull: Colchester and Hemel Hempstead have similar magic roundabouts to Swindon, all invented by a Colchester road engineer in the 1970s. In fact the creation of the magic roundabout in Colchester led to the birth of our cycling campaign in 1990. The multiple roundabout is safer (but more offputting) to ride around than the roundabout it replaced. I'd still rather have David's roundabout, though.
Cyclo: Yes, you're right. It's much slower driving across a Dutch roundabout. Also, they tend to have a reverse camber so that you really wouldn't want to try to drive too quickly around the roundabout.
All: Please do "turn up the volume" ! Britain can have decent cycling provision, but only if people ask for the right things.
I can't help wondering what Conservative 'cyclists' like Andrea Leadsom was doing during all this?
Or was her Ten Minute rule bill just a publicity stunt?
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